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From: Peter Smith <polaris@ursaminr.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Welcome and some questions...
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"Carol Carpenter" <carol@barnet.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> As I mentioned in my post to c.s.a.announce - I feel it is about time
> that Acornet was upgraded. Most of the components have later
> versions available or in some cases there are possible alternatives.
>
> It would be a pity if Acornet stagnated and it was just left up to
> the hardy 'have a go's' to upgrade their own setups. We need to keep
> the momentum going since, with Termites seeming demise, Acornet is the
> only other current alternative to the ANT suite.
>
> However before we can do much we need to discuss a few issues and
> make a few decisions.
[snip]
>
> The questions are :
>
> 1. Should we stay with SlipDial or go for FreeDial ?
>
Slipdial, because I'm used to it. If Freedial was made SA compatible, I'd be
willing to have a look. What advantages does Freedial have? Can you use
multiple scripts, so you can log onto differnent ISPs?
> 2. TTFN or Messenger ?
Messenger 1.0x
>
> 3. FreeNews or Newshound ?
>
I think Freenews. I've tried on 2 occasions to get Newshound to work, and
both times it just doesn't work. It downloads half the articles in the first
group and then dies. I however it's more stable since I last looked, and it
downloads faster than Newsbase, then use Newshound.
> 4. There is an issue of size. The 0.19 archive as it stands is
> nearly 3 Megs in size which is quite large. With new versions of
> things its set to get much bigger. We need to consider ways to
> reduce this as much as possible.
>
> One suggestion is to remove all the documentation and have that as a
> seperate file. I don't think we want to include apps that aren;t
> absolutely necessary. But perhaps we could collect together other
> apps into a seperate archive. Such things could include !talker,
> !uuencode, !newsfind, and ircclient perhaps and anything else you can
> suggest.
>
I (personally) suggest the core, which is the main Acornet application, the
stack (if applicable), Newsbase, dialler, newsdir & maybe telnet, FTP.
You could then provide links to other packages that have alternatives, ie
Arcweb or Webster, TTFN or Messenger, POP or SMTP
Leave all the docs as a separate archive.
> 5. I'd like to keep 0.20 based on the freenet I stack - so that
> users of earlier machines can use this but with all the apps
> upgraded. Then 0.21 we could upgrade the stack. But to what ?
> Freenet II or the Acorn stack ? Or as has been suggested already we
> could perhaps do two 0.21a and 0.21b so people can choose.
>
I say Acorn stack. In my experience the Freenet 2 stack gave me nothing but
trouble. It would crash at random intervals, and never last more than 10
minutes without all comms stopping. I've now been running the Internet 5.02
stack for a few months and it's fine. (so long as you add -e in the ifconfig
command!)
> 6. FreeFTP is not going to be developed any more since the author
> is now working on a commercial one instead. Do we keep it in - since
> it is the only graphically based free one around ? Or do we remove it
> altogether and perhaps create a simple guide to using ArcWeb for ftp
> purposes. I don't personally think sftp should be in it. This could
> be in the additional apps archive perhaps.
>
sFTP should be in it. Arcweb is good, but you can't (AFAIK) create
directories, and you can't delete files.
> 7. The frontend itself. What should we put in the additional blank
> square ? POP ? something else ? leave blank ? Should we add
> aditional spaces ? Perhaps we could make it so that if you drag a
> recognised app to a blank square it automatically adds it into the
> structure and puts up an icon in the blank square ? Dunno - I'm just
> rambling (It sounds like a lot of work).
>
You/we could (perhaps) make the front end look a little more like a filer
window.
All IMHO
Peter
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